Publishers announced for new Breviary!
  • RMSawicki
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    In case anyone missed this...

    Word on Fire and Ascension Press have been officially selected to publish the new four-volume edition of The Liturgy of the Hours.

    I must say, I had visions of several different firms getting "the call", but neither of these two were on my radar (although WOF's monthly paperback of the current edition probably should've been a tip-off!)

    Deo gratias! The initial information is impressive, as well as the posted images!

    Gaudete in Domino Semper!
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  • I am anticipating a difficult decision when it comes time to purchase the volumes.
  • where are the images? were there new updates on release?
  • Veni et noli tardare!!!! They look beautiful. I am especially ready to say goodbye to the 70s pink images forever.
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  • About time, it only took like 15 years, lol
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  • Earl_GreyEarl_Grey
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    I'm not aware of any plans to release a "singing edition". Something like the current Mundelein Psalter will become obsolete. And with all the translations copyrighted, there will be no legal way of pointing the psalms to sing vespers according to the new edition.

    I'd be happy to work on such a project, but I don't know who to even speak with at the USCCB or if they are even interested in such a thing. Which is why those who wish to sing the office will have to use the traditional Latin texts.
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  • @Earl_Grey In our Monastery we just mark our breviaries directly but of course that takes time and you have to make sure everyone does it right
  • Earl_GreyEarl_Grey
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    Yes, but in a seminary or parish where vespers is only sung on occasion (Sundays, Feasts, etc.) a resource like the Mundelein Psalter was a great help.

    Creating and printing a custom worship aid wouldn't be such a big deal if the texts were made available electronically, but it would also require permission to do it legally. One can subscribe to eBreviary and print the office legally, but one can't edit the PDF directly to point it for singing.

    I know a vast majority of priests and religious will only ever read the breviary, but the Church should encourage the sung office by providing practical resources to make it happen.

    Something like Source and Summit would be great for the Office with the ability to instantly render the text pointed for a variety of psalm tones.
  • Liam
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    Remember (IIRC) when the 2011 Missal translation was published and the gospels couldn't be pointed in translation because the pointing wouldn't match the Latin typical edition? There seem to be (at least to me) layers to the - unnecessary - problems.
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  • I guess my main issue with Mundelein is that they dont use the Gregorian tones.
  • MatthewRoth
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    There is a part of me that says « do it, and don’t tell anyone ». Another part is « well, maybe now is the time to ask Rome. » I normally don’t advocate for asking questions if the answer is uncertain, but I know at least one Catholic IP lawyer who could perhaps be coaxed, or could recommend confrères to be coaxed, into writing something on behalf of musicians such as ourselves, groups like the CMAA, in order to express to Rome that copyright protection is essential, active enforcement is essential, but that the current policies are prohibitive.
  • fcbfcb
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    My understanding is that the Psalms and Canticles will have at least asterisks and daggers, so that will make them a bit easier to chant. I've also heard that there is discussion about having the final stressed syllable in each line marked, which would help with chanting. I think there might also be a set of tones included in an appendix, but I don't know what tones those might be.
  • davido
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    I would bet that Source and Summit would like to provide Divine Office resources. Probably already working on it. And rest assured that USCCB will leverage it for financial gain, simony not withstanding.
  • MatthewRoth
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    The psalm divisions are still too long to use with Gregorian tones, or they’re way too short because English. The former is a choice!
  • We dont have any problems with applying the gregorian tones. If the line is too short we combine it with another line or take out the intonation note, which is what is done in Latin. In our monastery we underline the "accent" we establish so that it can be applied to any tone. Sometimes you might have to do something a little 'un-natural' but its better than destroying the tone in my opinion. Its the best way to do it if you dont have something printed.

    examples:

    O God you are my God for YOU I long
    For you my soul is THIRSTing
    Glory to the Father and TO the Son
    and to the Holy SPIRit
    as it was in the beginning IS now
    and will be forever A-men
    The Lord is my SHEPherd
    there is nothing I shall want
    My God my God why have you forSAKen me
    you are far from my plea and the cry of MY distress



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  • MatthewRoth
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    Sure but the division in the vernacular psalters is sort of bizarre for singing and maybe even recitation. This means that the tones can’t be applied consistently.
  • I definitely agree that the line division is not the best, especially those single lines connected to no stanza.

    Im also really hoping they will fix the "to be full of love" line from the canticles which only appears in certain places and in other places does not appear.
  • I'm just pretty sure the new Psalter has dropped some of the sibilants from "So my soul sings psalms unceasingly." It is perhaps not a great thing when a psalm makes you chuckle, though "It is good to give thanks to the Lord" is only ever heard in John Paul II's accent in my home.
  • PLTT
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    Count me disappointed that Catholic Book Publishing was not selected. Nothing against the others - but the dated artwork/clipart and some obstinate editorial decisions aside, I have generally found CBP books to be clear, readable, useable and more attentive to the finer points of book creation than many others - and at a very affordable price. Which is not surprising considering that they have been in the field for a while.

    I remember when the missal came out and many US publishers jumped in with their offerings. Some had lovely artwork and typography - but were much heavier, prayers were harder to find or read, books didnt remain open flat, bindings fell apart after sustained use, ribbons and tabs kept coming off or were too small/awkwardly placed. Etc., etc., etc. I know many like myself who initially bought from others and then eventually gravitated back to the CBP editions.....

    You can see the same difference btw, between vintage Latin altar missals and many modern reprints - the latter tend to be bulkier, heavier, and more susceptible to wear and tear than books that have survived for over half a century!

    So here's hoping that WoF and Ascension do in fact produce a quality (and affordable!) product - not just in terms of visuals, but in terms of usability ...... As it is, they will have a hard time competing with the digital offerings. I'm surprised the USCCB hasn't jumped on that bandwagon faster. The vast majority of clergy I know use some kind of app for praying the Liturgy of the Hours - some even for the communal Office.

  • Oh I had the opposite reaction, I was praying that CBP would NOT be chosen. I always find that their products fall apart and look cheasy to my eye.
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  • RMSawicki
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    PLTT:

    Irony of ironies...

    About twenty-four hours before the combined Word on Fire/Ascension Press notices dropped, I was drafting a letter to CBPC in which I, assuming they would be chosen for the project (either as one among many or exclusively), expressed my hope that the innumerable typos and rubrical errors which have dogged their current edition this past half-century would be attentively dealt with, and that the great aesthetic improvement they have effected in their newer editions of ritual books would carry over into the new breviary. Alas, said epistle has been rendered unnecessary.

    I do wonder however about the one-volume diurnal ("Christian Prayer"). I assume such an item will be forthcoming as well and perhaps CBPC is one of the four(?) publishers rumored (I emphasize..."rumored" only!) to be in line to produce that item for those accustomed to using a one-volume version. Time will tell.
    I am quite surprised that neither Magnificat nor Midwest Theologcal Forum was chosen.

    I am also very curious, in light of the Holy See having finally completed the approved "supplement" as well as the full, proper two-year lectionary for the Office of Readings (which most other countries/languages already have!) if anyone in the Anglophonic world will be producing something similar to the magnificent new Argentine (Spanish) edition...which necessitates six volumes, instead of four (y'know...to "get all of it in"!)

    Midwest Theological Forum currently produces an excellent Latin editio typica in six volumes. Perhaps something like that might be down the road from them...or maybe Magificat...or EWTN Publishing?
    (Oh well, I can dream, can't I?)

    Gaudete in Domino Semper!
  • MatthewRoth
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    Yeah, but a lot of priests go with CBP because the books are reliable and familiar, even if ugly. One wonders if the companies themselves had a bad go of it, including financially, and didn't jump in.

    But "media organizations" publishing the breviary…that's the semi-official framing, and good riddance. The mock-ups so far of the spine look terrible.

    Also, if the typical edition itself only gives page numbers but not the incipit of a hymn, good riddance.

    And this goes back to the destruction of Mame, Benziger, Desclée, Dessain, Pustet, etc.

    As it is, they will have a hard time competing with the digital offerings. I'm surprised the USCCB hasn't jumped on that bandwagon faster. The vast majority of clergy I know use some kind of app for praying the Liturgy of the Hours - some even for the communal Office.


    Two problems: the clergy need to stop being so unedifying and lazy. Evergreen, but it's true, and while it's one thing to pray on one's phone in a dental waiting room when one wasn't expecting to wait forever, doing so in church or habitually is another matter.

    There is for some reason, with the first edition, a problem of "page numbers" wherein people need to be told page numbers, not the parts from which something is taken: proper of the season, of the saints, common, the day of the week. But if you have different editions, or only Christian Prayer versus the four-volume set, you're going to be lost. And it's not just me, a layman, annoyed; there was a good discussion where an older priest (solidly middle-aged, been a priest a while) was complaining about how he hoped that "the page numbers would be the same, otherwise priest gatherings would be a problem" and a younger priest was like "no, you are not first-year seminarians in orientation week. Learn to set your breviary, in advance."

    and the laity who prefer the new office, such as various third-order members, also have this problem. There's a whole ordo that refers to page numbers! What are we doing here?! (I understand that the layout is not friendly, and this goes back to "why did we reinvent the wheel" but still.)
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  • Honest inquiry,

    What about the spines look so horrendous?
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  • fcbfcb
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    What about the spines look so horrendous?

    While "horrendous" seems a bit extreme, I'm not real keen on the Ascension logo. WoF, in the other hand, looks pretty good to me.

    I too was a bit disappointed that Magnificat was not chosen. They are my go-to for ritual books.

    FWIW, twenty year ago I sprang for the leather bound CPBC volumes and two decades later they're still in excellent shape, other than the printing being worn off the spine (for which my sweaty hands take full responsibility).
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  • RMSawicki
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    AnimaVocis--

    I echo your query. What indeed?

    The Word on Fire version almost looks like it is employing the Jesuit "IHS sunburst" motif on the spines, and the Ascension version has those endearing symbols of the liturgical seasons - "Stella Orientalis" for Advent/Christmas, Crown of Thorns for Lent/Easter, Sacred Heart for Ordinary Time 1-17 (wherein the Feast falls), and "Corona Christus Rex" for Ordinary Time 18-34 (wherein that Feast falls).

    Personally...I like both designs.

    Gaudete in Domino Semper!
  • RMSawicki
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    fcb --

    What a coincidence- exactly twenty years ago I did the same thing and the condition of my set is just as you describe yours!

    :-)

    Gaudete in Domino Semper!
  • Earl_GreyEarl_Grey
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    I can't remember where I read this, but having the psalms broken into 4-6 lines stanzas (or sometimes more/less) was meant to offer a responsorial rendering where cantors would sing the verses and the congregation would sing the response after each stanza responsorially. However, when chanted (or read) antiphonally one should ideally alternate each verse of the psalm (ignoring the space breaks). Yet the common practice is to now read an entire 4-6 line stanza before alternating. Having the mediants marked with * should help, but it will be a hard habit to break.

    Also, communities that regularly sing the office will come up with something that works well for them. The Mundelein Psalter is not a paradigm for singing the office, but it did make the task practical/possible for a group of non-singers who only sing the prayer occasionally.

    I don't see the need to petition Rome for such an inquiry, but asking the USCCB makes sense. Do they really want to be inundated with permissions requests from those of us attempting to sing the office on a feast day?
  • @Earl_Grey speaking from a monastery having to choose where to make a 3 liner and where to make a 2 liner in a community that chants is a constant source of contention. I was over joyed to see in one of the pictures that they are finally marking the flex +.
  • Count me disappointed that Catholic Book Publishing was not selected. Nothing against the others - but the dated artwork/clipart and some obstinate editorial decisions aside, I have generally found CBP books to be clear, readable, useable and more attentive to the finer points of book creation than many others - and at a very affordable price.
    I used to own one of their prayer books that included prayers to the Egyptian god Ra, Buddha, Mohammed, Hindu prayers and more. “Prayers of the world”. I kid you not. It also had a nihil obstat and imprimatur, and that was the day that N.O.’s and Imprimaturs died for me. They are only as good as the people granting them, and no earnest Christian priest or bishop could grant an official approbation to pray Hindu prayers or prayers to Ra. It was absolute garbage and I burned that book, and resolved to never support their publishing house again.
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  • MatthewRoth
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    The font selections are terrible for the Ascension spine. Sans serif fonts belong nowhere near a breviary, and it's not 1940, we can drop slab serifs. Paper's not cheap, but it's not a rationed commodity. Classic humanist/roman serifs only.

    Adding stuff is also just not necessary. You need the volume number or season name or something, that's it.

    It is not that hard to make a breviary, insofar as it is trivial to make a pastiche of an older edition. And the spine already departs radically. They aren't in control of everything on the inside, sure, but the spine is apparently fair game…

    as to the division 1) the original idea is dumb, dumb, dumb 2) the breviary and antiphonal did not always align historically, but at least you had 1 verse neatly divided, so the office could always be sung recto tono without too much trouble.
  • Matthew,

    That makes alot of sense, regardless of whether I agree or disagree.... Honestly, I didn't know that I should care that much - therefore I just never noticed. (Ha!)

    That said, I am currently working on an all-in-one breviary for travel for my monastery (as an Oblate book/travel edition for the monks). As such, I'm using the St Michael Abbey diurnal as a baseline. Your comments are helpful.

    As an aside, I definitely disagree with ascension's decision to place their logo on the spine. We don't need more advertisements this world...
  • MatthewRoth
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    The reason you (a general you as much as a personal one) should care is that we should have beautiful things that are easy to read.

    I think that there is a place for artistic innovation or creativity. (Without endorsing the publisher) Alcuin Reid’s bunch are publishing the monastic breviary. These typefaces to me are legible and have a lot of character. They’re trying to approach the aesthetic of a particular earlier edition of that breviary.

    Slab serif fonts for body text are just too tiny and hard to make out with respect to letters and therefore words. It’s my one criticism of the Saint Andrews missal. They got easier to read and more typographically pleasing as the amount of content was reduced. The late 50s editions are my favorites. But I prefer the 1945 content.

    Sans serifs are divorced from the print tradition and that of manuscripts and Roman stone carving such that they really have no place in the liturgical books whatsoever. It’s decisively modern, in a bad way. But you can do modern and interesting with legible serifs.
  • RMSawicki
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    An interesting follow-up here. The June-July 2025 issue of the official liturgical bulletin from the U.S. bishops conference includes the following text:

    "Regarding the Liturgy of the Hours, Second Edition, the Committee reviewed proposals from four publishers and selected two of them to receive exclusive, five-year contracts to publish the four volumes of the breviary".

    Now that it is publicly known that Word on Fire and Ascension were the two firms selected, I can't help but have a burning curiosity about the identity of the other two.

    The same bulletin further states:

    "Members also approved the details and timeline for the publication of major extracts of the Divine Office: after the bidding process, *four publishers* will receive exclusive, five-year contracts to produce single volumes that include Morning and Evening Prayer".

    I'm guessing the two firms who lost out on the bid for the full breviary will likely be among this group of four who will handle the diurnal.

    Maybe this means there is still a chance some nice, beautiful product from Magnificat will be in the offing? Or MTF/Scepter? Or Ignatius?

    I thought WLP/J.S. Paluch produced a BEAUTIFUL option (Deluxe Edition) for the new altar Missal. I'd be quite confident they'd be able to turn out a lovely diurnal.

    I am also hoping the Daughters of St. Paul will be able to offer an updated version of their very cost-effective previous option of a stand-alone volume for the Office of Readings coupled with their once highly-popular diurnal. They made a nice set in the past!

    Oh well...time will tell.

    "Lord open my lips, and my mouth will proclaim your praise"!

    Gaudete in Domino Semper!
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  • MatthewRoth
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    Well now that all seminarians at least for the first round will get the WoF breviary, Ascension may well go belly-up or close to it.
  • Does anyone have any idea which one will look more traditional? Im not familiar with the books either one publishes- and Ive heard mixed opinions from different people. The pictures online dont give enough of a preview to really know what the inside looks like.
  • RMSawicki
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    MatthewRoth

    Funny you should mention that.

    In 2013 WLP/J.S. Paluch did the same thing with their new altar missal, sending a copy to every newly-ordained priest in every U.S. diocese. It didn't seem to hurt missal sales for CBPC, Liturgical Press, LTP, Magnificat, etc. I suspect there will be room for everyone in this new venture.

    Gaudete in Domino Semper!
  • MatthewRoth
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    The problem is that the breviary is a different beast. You have one set. You’re not going to replace it. You don’t need it in different sizes. Pastors had control over the purchase.

    There are also more seminarians than are eventually ordained priests due to attrition. There’s also the social contagion: people will be expected to have the WoF version.

    And if they got in the game as late as 2013, of course WLP was already behind. But there were far too many publishers in 2011. I believe that some of these did really suffer and that CBPC is one of those that reliably gets new sales, despite the aesthetics. Anyway it’s not great that one publisher with a direct episcopal link is being favored.
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  • Liam
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    The US bishops' instincts when it comes to publishing ritual books seem over the years to be founded much more upon law and compliance (in this case, for example, getting something into the hands of individual clerics and religious so they can fulfill their canonical obligations) than upon evangelization and deeply empowering and encouraging euphony of language and beautiful corporate prayer and worship. Their instincts are like those of meat cutters, rather than of artistry (even a good butcher has artistry in his craft, but meat cutters not so much).
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  • chonakchonak
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    At this point, @monasteryliturgist , I don't want to place much trust in the promotional pics from either publisher.

    The only thing that's really striking to me from the images is the difference in book size: Ascension's images suggest that they are planning to make the standard edition in the "pocket-sized" format (around 4.5" x 6.5") that we have been using for the past 50 years from the Vatican's publishing house and from Catholic Book here in the US. On the other hand, WoF appears to be designing with a larger format: maybe 5x8" or 6x9".

    When various publishers made editions of the Roman Missal back in 2011, they were all required to preserve the page-numbering of the approved USCCB text. With the differing book formats that seem to be in the works for the LoTH, I can only wonder whether they will have different pagination, which would make common use of books from the two sources inconvenient.

    Probably more images will come from the two companies as the months pass.
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  • MatthewRoth
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    People should stop relying on pages other than the references in their own edition; that’s the only way to pray the preconciliar breviary with any ease, and yet every like-to-like edition (same rubrics, same format) has the same pagination.
  • @chonak thanks so much. Those are all really good points. I would hope that the page numbers would be all the same as that would cause a good deal of confusion when people pray in groups.
  • chonakchonak
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    The Word on Fire images also stood out because they put an "IHS" symbol on the books, which happens to be the logo WoF uses for their existing LoTH publications.

    The downside for me is that I associate that symbol with the Jesuits, so it's as though WoF were trying to positively discourage singing. :-)

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  • oh goodness! ha maybe you should think of St Bernardine of Siena then :) !

    “This Name must be carried in your heart, held on your lips, and sung with your voice.”

    “Good Christians should accustom their tongues to holy words, to hymns, and to the singing of divine praises, for these drive away the enemy and lift the heart to God.”
  • RMSawicki
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    So...

    Midwest Theological Forum is OFFICIALLY one of the publishers of the one-volume edition ("Major Extracts" - i.e. diurnal), with Liturgical Press, Magnificat, and our old friends Catholic Book Publishing Company allegedly rounding out the outfield.

    Quite a healthy variety here. I am genuinely looking forward to seeing the variations among the forthcoming finished products.

    Gaudete in Domino Semper!
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  • Liam
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    That's a relief!
  • DCM
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    I have Liturgical Press's one volume Christian Prayer from when they had the license in the 1970s. It's a very nice volume. Benedictine Daily Prayer, their oblate office book, is also very nicely designed. I'm glad they were selected.
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  • I saw that Ascension finally posted a picture on their Art Work for the New Breviary. I am a little disappointed. It looks very much like AI generated artwork to me. Obviously its a step up from the Pink 70s images but I was hoping they would be using Missal Art, I guess this is their version.

    Hoping Word on Fire has better options. I have not seen any artwork from them yet.
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  • AnimaVocis
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    The art is by no means AI. While not old Missal Art (whether it should be or not is another story), it is being specially created for them.

    https://ascensionpress.com/blogs/articles/beauty-that-evangelizes-meet-the-artist-of-the-new-liturgy-of-the-hours

    It gives me senses of an Art Neuveau / woodcut style.
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  • yes I know its not AI but it looks alot like the AI Christian Art I have seen in recent years. I just dont like the style very much. It looks very cheesy to me... but thats just my style. I think particularly because I am an iconographer--the semi icon, semi wood cut, semi coloring book look is distasteful for me. But again just a personal opinion. Hoping that WOF does something a little more traditional looking- I want the art to help my prayer not disttract it.
  • chonakchonak
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    Some "overly perfect" details in the image suggest that computer graphics were used in the design process.

    In the upper half of the artwork, much of the leafy background looks identical from the left side to the right, which makes it appear as though one side was designed by hand, and the other side was made by just copying and flipping the image. That sort of perfect symmetry looks unnatural.

    In contrast, the background in the lower half of the art shows more differences between the left and right sides.

    Also, to me, the extensive use of gradient shading makes the image look like a product made with computer graphics tools.

    The choice of fonts doesn't look ideal either: in the sample shown, there are some problems associated with the character "a": the weak 'front' of the letter, and the seeming gaps that often appear after the letter:

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  • @chonak yes I think thats what gives it the AI feel. I also really don't like the mixing of styles. If word on fire is not any better I think I am going to have to tape some holy cards on top of it or something.

    I think Publishers need to be careful when choosing art for liturgical books. It should point towards adornment rather than being the center of attention in the page.
  • igneusigneus
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    Will the US have no plain Liturgia-horarum-style edition with no artwork at all? Options with some artwork are nice to have, but...
  • @igneus it doesnt seem like it. Perhaps the "Christian Prayer Version" but both the full 4 volume published only by Ascension and Word on Fire have both announced that they will have art work.

    After Some searching, the only artwork I have seen with Word on Fire is this (see attached). But Im not sure if all of it will use the same style or not. It appears that Ascension will have original artwork by the same artist all throughout.
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  • chonakchonak
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    For the previous English LOTH for the US, the Daughters of St. Paul published a text-only book in one volume ("Christian Prayer"), with all the offices except the Office of Readings; and a single-volume book for the OOR.

    After the year 2000, they published some editions for Africa:
    https://shop.paulinesafrica.org/product/Liturgy-of-Hours--The-
    (4 volumes)

    https://shop.paulinesafrica.org/product/Prayer-of-the-Church--The-
    (one volume, 1740 p.)

    https://shop.paulinesafrica.org/product/Christian-Prayer
    (one volume, only 384 pages, so it's probably only selected portions)
  • @chonak but this is for the current version only right? not the one coming out this next year.
  • chonakchonak
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    That's right; I think the Pauline versions for Africa have the new psalter which we will be using, but otherwise it's the old edition.
  • DCM
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    The "African breviary" uses the short-lived Revised Grail psalms from 2008. The upcoming American books will use the Abbey Psalms, which are basically a Revised Revised Grail (one further step of revision). I guess some further tinkering was requested once the USCCB bought the copyright.

    A history of the revision process:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grail_Psalms
  • chonakchonak
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    Yes, I skipped that detail because I really have no idea how extensive the USCCB revisions were.

    Thanks.
  • Marc Cerisier
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    The current Abbey Psalms is closer to the 2008 version. The 2010 version (RGP) that was publicly released was destroyed by (as I’m told) non-native English speakers at the Vatican that went through the text with a broad “find and replace” paintbrush that introduced many errors to the text. Changes in leadership at the Vatican between the original 2008 submission and the acquisition of the psalter by the USCCB allowed for the re-edit of the texts.
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  • Liam
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    broad “find and replace” paintbrush


    A terrible tool in the wrong fingers.

    Also terrible is attempting to replicate Latin syntax in a ham-fisted or clumsy way.

    Also terrible: using false-friend cognates as translation crutches.
  • fcbfcb
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    I appreciate all the materials that Ascension is putting out to promote their edition of the LOH, and it really does seem like they are trying to attend to the aesthetics of it. Word on Fire has done little, by comparison, to keep people informed on their edition; as far as I know, no one really knows how it will look. I suspect that they are counting on the large donation they received to provide a free set for every seminarian in the US to make their edition the de facto choice of the clergy.

    On a musical note (pun intended), I saw from Ascension Presses promotional material that the psalms and canticles will indeed have asterisks and daggers, removing at least one barrier to chanting the Office.
  • Free for seminarians, but doesnt seem so for Religious. I tried contacting them twice about any discount that could give us but did not receive any kind of answer. Im wondering what the plan will be. Everyone has about 1 year to get new breviaries by the time they are printed, but with how fancy they are printed most communities are going to have a hard time with pricing when they have to suddenly buy 4 volume sets for 20+ members in their local houses.
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  • drforjc
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    @monasteryliturgist my understanding is that a single donor offered to pay for a free set for seminarians (I'm in the Winona-Rochesteer diocese)
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  • MatthewRoth
    Posts: 3,698
    I have no stake. My pastor doesn’t even own the current set. But it strikes me as unjust to buy books for seminarians except in the poorest dioceses or for seminarians in need (like ones from various foreign countries who can do work-study essentially but who can’t really work otherwise and have no savings or family and other American benefactors) and ignore (women) religious.
  • novusgordo
    Posts: 27
    Consider yourselves lucky that the USCCB has kept you in the loop. The CCCB has said absolutely nothing about its plans to implement the new translation of Liturgia horarum in the dioceses of Canada. (But I guess that shouldn't be a surprise, given how Music for Catholic Worship has been coming "soon" for about a decade now...)
  • igneusigneus
    Posts: 455
    Were I member of a religious community unable to switch to the new breviary translation in time because of financial constraints, I would consider myself in a good company. "Maybe somewhat poor after all!"
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  • ServiamScores
    Posts: 3,325
    MR– am I missing something? I thought the announcement was that every seminarian in the US got a copy. What is your source that implies they will be excluding certain seminarians?

    Also, let’s not the perfect be the enemy of the good. It’s not unfair for a donor to do a good things for seminarians… perhaps another donor (or the same, if they were alerted to the issue which may not have even occurred to them) will take care of poorer religious communities.
  • fcbfcb
    Posts: 415
    What is your source that implies they will be excluding certain seminarians?

    I'm pretty sure he didn't imply this. I took him to be saying that it would seem more just to give free copies to seminarians based on need than to give to all seminarians and exclude women religious.
  • @igneus If only it worked that way! :) When it comes to more liberal leaning communities they have no problem when they do things like replace the word "he" with "he and she" in the LOH but when it comes to more conservative religious life, the hierarchy watches us like hawks doesnt matter if if we are TLM or not, if you have a habit and live the vows... they watch very closely and if they saw us using the old breviary over the time limit we would be penalized. Do we have money to buy the breviaries? No. Will we still have to find a way? yes-- if we want to keep chanting the office in our choir where outsiders hear us.

    @drforjc yes thats my understanding as well, but I was hoping there still might be some kind of religious discount at least. Its a little frustrating when you are not sure if seminarians will even make it through--and are not required to say the office at this point, but the ones who are required to say it are going to have to struggle to find a way to get it. Im not asking that everything just be handed to us on a platter, but a little discount or a less expensive version might be nice for poor religious.

    Im not mad at a donor for being generous. God bless who ever that was. And yes, hopefully there will be another donor for religious, but I was hoping someone might answer my email at least as a way of courtesy and explain whether or not there was something being planned for this situation.
  • MatthewRoth
    Posts: 3,698

    if they were alerted to the issue which may not have even occurred to them


    This is the problem. The donors are singlemindedly focused on priests and seminarians, and they probably should not be forcing the WoF edition on the men just because it’s Bishop Barron’s outfit which is essentially the reason to prefer it (well, OK: I think that it might be the better of the two but I have not seen sample pages of the WoF edition yet).


    I took him to be saying that it would seem more just to give free copies to seminarians based on need than to give to all seminarians and exclude women religious.


    Right.
  • AnimaVocis
    Posts: 229
    Ascension does have a group discount that they are advertising. Not sure what it is, as prices have not yet been released, but they do mention in on the main LoTH page.
  • ServiamScores
    Posts: 3,325
    This is the problem. The donors are singlemindedly focused on priests and seminarians, and they probably should not be forcing the WoF edition on the men just because it’s Bishop Barron’s outfit
    I'm weary to ascribe motives to any donor. You have no idea why they are choosing to support that platform over the alternative. For all you know, it's the WoF resources that brought the donor's child back from the abyss, or perhaps (then) Fr. Baron ministered at a family member's bedside. There are a million good reasons why they may be doing what they are doing. And lest we forget: without priests, it all comes to naught. So making sure the well is clean and well tended ensures that everyone else get's good spiritual drink.

    Sorry to come off as preachy, but I'm genuinely disquieted by these insinuations that someone is doing something wrong (or something good for the wrong reasons) just because they have ensured that seminarians get a good copy of the LoTH. How could we do anything but rejoice at that fact? Seriously.
  • @ServiamScores yesI agree with that. I dont think there are bad intentions on a benefactors part nor on the part of WOF. I actually think WOF version looks a little better than Ascension version--more traditional.

    I think the issue at hand is not so much intentions as it is being sure that there are other options without sacrificing a well made book. For example, neither WOF nor Ascension will have anything but gilded pages. Obviously that is more beautiful but on the other hand its more expensive. There could be ways to make the LOH more attainable with small differences like that.
  • MatthewRoth
    Posts: 3,698
    I didn’t ascribe nefarious motives. It’s simply a disease in the American church that puts priests first, the laity second, active religious women a distant third, and active male religious who aren’t clerics and women contemplatives might as well not exist.

    Also, again, I don’t care if they have good intentions. I did not say that they don’t, so can we drop that claim? The problem is that by giving a copy to all of the seminarians from WoF, congrats, WoF wins, any seminarian who refuses his copy is an outcast and a problem. Why not let the market win and basically cut checks for people to acquire the copy that they want?

    Until we see more, there might be reasons to not want Ascension’s version, but AFAICT, at least Ascension has put out more sample pages and such. But again, WoF has an advantage and a sitting bishop probably should not be so closely involved to a publisher of liturgical books.
  • fcbfcb
    Posts: 415
    It’s simply a disease in the American church that puts priests first, the laity second, active religious women a distant third, and active male religious who aren’t clerics and women contemplatives might as well not exist.

    Strong agree. And we deacons probably fall somewhere between the women religious and the male religious (except in those places where we're considered part of the laity, which is kind of a promotion).
  • smcatharine
    Posts: 54
    Ascension will have a fund for religious communities who can't afford to buy the breviaries. We haven't received the discount amount yet because I think it depends on the number you will be buying. They will contact each religious community that has registered. It's going to cost us almost $10K.
  • @monasteryliturgist

    Sister, you can register here with Ascension: https://ascensionpress.com/pages/content-bridge-offer/register-as-an-institution, so you can get information with no obligation to purchase. They say:

    We recognize that some communities may need more support than the standard institutional discount provides.
    To help meet those needs, Ascension is developing the Liturgy of the Hours Assistance Fund, a need-based program that will allow contributors to support eligible Catholic institutions with greater financial need. Assistance will not be paid to organizations as cash; instead, approved assistance will be applied by Ascension toward eligible Liturgy of the Hours, Second Edition orders. ... Institutions needing additional assistance may request consideration by submitting an Assistance Fund application. The application will be shared with registered institutions prior to July 1, and applications will close on August 31, 2026.


    I think your community would certainly qualify for as much assistance as possible!

    Word on Fire is certainly not cultivating business as well as Ascension is. Information Packet. Sample Pages.

    While I am looking forward to certain aspects of the new breviary--the translations of the collects and intercessions, for one--I am really dreading other aspects, such as most of the new Psalms. After praying the ones we have for several decades, it's just a lot of change. Besides, as someone very sensitive to formatting, I am already cringing at some of what Ascension shared, such as the bold headings vs. red headings vs. small caps headings and which ones they perceive as "heavier." Oh well. I would really like to be able to see both versions in real life before we have to choose, but clearly Ascension is trying to make people choose ahead of time.

    From what I understood, though, all editions were supposed to have daggers and asterisks.
  • @MonasticChantress Thanks thats great. I do wish WOF would do it too though as I too have a lot of problems with the Ascension version. It looks like WOF is all together more clean--and the pictures looks very digital computer AI to me... I know they have a real artist working, but the style is very digital like... oh well, I might paste some holy cards on top of them if its too distracting.
  • fcbfcb
    Posts: 415
    I'm not crazy about Ascension's mixing of serif and sans-serif fonts. I can certainly learn to live it it.

    I've been using the Abbey Psalms Canticles since they were approved, about five years ago, and for the most part I've gotten used to them. Some changes are real improvements, others not so much. But a lot is simply a matter of getting the new \words lodged in your synapses, which only happens with time.
  • RMSawicki
    Posts: 148
    Update on the MTF edition.

    It APPEARS, from the language on the now-updated page on MTF's website announcing their selection as one of the publishers for the "Major Extracts", that they are, in fact, going to be producing a two-volume set, similar to that which was previously produced by the Daughters of St. Paul, consisting of a diurnal AND a second, stand-alone exclusive volume for the Office of Readings/Matins.

    I'm very glad to hear this. I always thought the Daughters set was a very good choice for layfolk on a budget - although I expect the MTF version will likely be pricier.
    In any event, I will be VERY INTERESTED to watch the development of this project.

    Gaudete in Domino Semper!
    Thanked by 2igneus ServiamScores
  • @MonasticChantress

    I e-mailed Word on Fire, and they said:
    We will offer bulk discounts for orders of 10+ copies of the Liturgy of the Hours, Second Edition. All details regarding the Liturgy of the Hours, Second Edition will be released July 1st at liturgyofthehours.com.
  • I received news from Word on Fire that they will offer group discounts as well, but specifics on all of that will come out on July 1st when preorder opens.
  • fcbfcb
    Posts: 415
    Ascension Press's pricing for their various editions:
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    1402 x 508 - 97K
  • https://www.liturgyofthehours.com/
    Link for anyone who wants to see the new updates for the Word on Fire Version
    It looks very nice--and excitingly durable.
    The early bird preorder has a very good discount for the amount of quality this version has.
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  • smcatharine
    Posts: 54
    We had a meeting at Conception Abbey last year and found the new translation not as difficult of an adjustment as we thought it would be. I'm glad the psalms are being marked although that means we OP's lose a little more of our tradition because like the Cistercians our flex is like and upside down 2.
    We sing the OR responsories so either all our books will have be marked or else we'll make a separate book containing the marked text. We haven't decided yet.
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  • fcbfcb
    Posts: 415
    Here's the equivalent info for Ascension: https://ascensionpress.com/pages/content-hub/liturgy-of-the-hours
    Thanked by 1CHGiffen
  • Here is the special discount information from Word on Fire:

    We do offer discounts for dioceses, parishes, religious orders, and other institutions! You can receive 40% off of the full regular price regardless of quantity.

    This is how the standing order works:

    Guaranteed Reserves: By placing your order today, you guarantee that your requested items are reserved and will automatically ship the moment each volume is released.
    Post-Shipment Invoicing: There is no upfront card charge. Your billing department will be emailed an invoice after each individual volume shipment.
    Shipping & Taxes: Shipping costs are calculated and applied directly when a shipment goes out. If your organization is tax-exempt and we have your form on file, no taxes will be charged.


    Here are the purchase options available to you when ordering in bulk:

    Premium 4-Volume Set

    Retail $500.00 $300.00/set
    Full 4-volume set. Volume II will ship in January 2027 with subsequent volumes shipping as they become available throughout the year.

    Premium 4-Volume Set (Large Print)
    Retail $600.00 $360.00/set
    Full 4-volume set. Volume II will ship in January 2027 with subsequent volumes shipping as they become available throughout the year.

    Premium Case
    Retail $120.00 $72.00/case
    Premium leather case. Ships with your first order, not with every volume release.

    Premium Case (Large Print)
    Retail $140.00 $84.00/case
    Premium leather case. Ships with your first order, not with every volume release.

    If you would like to order just Volume II: Lent & Easter (the first to be printed and released), let us know!


    That was a nice, friendly e-mail. I haven't watched their video yet, but the images are beautiful and the typesetting looks better in some ways than Ascension.

    I was somewhat dismayed to see their marketing seems to be exclusively to priests. "Bigger than our current volume--perfect size for your hand!" I don't think they mean the hands of our barely 5-foot Sisters! Men have (typically) huge hands! "Pastors and flock can pray together!" What about the hundreds of women religious?

    I am going to ask both publishers how much their volumes weigh. As our superior joked while we were discussing this yesterday, "Everyone will need a little white table!" (that our nonagenarian Sisters use in front of their wheelchairs to hold their Office books).
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  • DCM
    Posts: 100
    Neither publisher seems to be incorporating any musical settings into their layout (at least judging on the samples released). Bound for another couple generations of treating the office as a text for private recitation instead of a liturgy.
    Thanked by 1LauraKaz
  • @DCM I believe that was why they published a separate book for that last year
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  • Diapason84
    Posts: 161
    Please tell me that the revised Hours have dropped "hymns" by Fred Pratt Green, Fred Kaan, Lucien Deiss, and bad "adaptations" by Anthony Petti, et al.?
    Thanked by 1LauraKaz
  • AnimaVocis
    Posts: 229
    The hymns are the restored hymns as translated from the Liber Hymnarium.

    The settings of text to both metrical and chant melodies can be found in the recently(ish) published "Divine office Hymnal" from GIA.
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  • Marc Cerisier
    Posts: 609
    Neither publisher seems to be incorporating any musical settings into their layout (at least judging on the samples released).


    The music isn't included inline in Latin typical edition, so as such it wouldn't be included in the translation without special permission being requested by the USCCB, which I have no reason to think they would have done. It would also make the book much longer if they were included.
  • Charles_Weaver
    Posts: 249
    With regard to the musical setting of the LOTH, there was an announcement about this at the colloquium. The CMAA is creating a two-volume set with square-note antiphons (adapted from the Gregorian by Richard Rice) and psalmody for everything but the office of readings. This will also be released in the form of a website along the lines of Breviarium gregorianum. There will also be options like psalm-tone antiphons on the model of Fr. Weber's work.
  • DCM
    Posts: 100
    Oh, that's fantastic news
  • novusgordo
    Posts: 27
    @Charles_Weaver, "@Richard R.": any possibility of getting permission to produce a version with your antiphons and the CCCB lectionary and psalter? (Assuming, of course, that the CCCB bothers to tell anyone anything about their plans for LotH2e...)

    Edit: I guess the "@" system doesn't work when a user's alias has a space in it.

    Son of Edit: While we're on the subject, has anything actually been said by the CCCB about their plans for LotH2e? Or has anyone heard anything about them?
  • @Charles_Weaver do you know if this will be for Sundays and feasts days only (akin to the Antiphonale Romanum 1 and 2) or year round, similar to the Les Heures Gregoriennes?
  • RMSawicki
    Posts: 148
    Charles_Weaver:

    This is GLORIOUS news! I can't wait to see this finished product.

    When you say "...everything but the Office of Readings", do I take that to mean this will be a two-volume Diurnal?

    Gaudete in Domino Semper!
  • Charles_Weaver
    Posts: 249
    Yes, a two-volume diurnal. Dr. Donelson-Nowicka is the one to ask for details (she has a space in her handle too!). The reasoning is that the number of communities that sing the office of readings is quite small, I think.

    The other detail I remember is that they are working to point the psalms in such a way that they can work with a variety of different psalm tone schemes.

    I agree that it's great news, precisely because it seems like a step back toward conceptualizing the office as a sung liturgy.
  • smcatharine
    Posts: 54
    Word on Fire answered our question about the weight of their volumes. It just seems to me that the designers haven't actually used a breviary day in and day out and certainly not in a choir setting.

    "Volume II comes out to 2,700 pages and the pagination remains identical for both editions. These new volumes feature a slightly taller aspect ratio than previous editions to beautifully accommodate the tall, narrow formatting of the Psalms.

    The weight for Volume II (Lent & Easter) is about 2.5 lbs and for Volume I (first half of ordinary time) is about 1.5 lbs. Volumes III and IV are going to be close to 2.5 lbs, but we don't know for sure yet since the page count has not been finalized."
  • RMSawicki
    Posts: 148
    smcatherine:

    I think Volume 1 is for Advent/Christmas, not Ordinary Time 1-17, right? It is usually the lightest of the four, since it covers the shortest amount of elapsed time.

    Gaudete in Domino Semper!
  • @smcatharine it seems to me ascension will have a similar issue. Obviously this is just an observation from pictures, but although their version looks smaller in pages height and width, the depth of the book looks much thicker.Based on some videos I have seen of it being handled.